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> <channel><title>Comments on: Interesting WordPress GPL implications</title> <atom:link href="http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/interesting-wordpress-gpl-implications/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/interesting-wordpress-gpl-implications</link> <description>A blog by Prelovac Media CEO Vladimir Prelovac</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:37:58 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: San Fernando</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/interesting-wordpress-gpl-implications/comment-page-2#comment-23556</link> <dc:creator>San Fernando</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=735#comment-23556</guid> <description>Very interesting license and thank you for bringing up the issue! Excellent point about GPL not being strict in their FAQ.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting license and thank you for bringing up the issue! Excellent point about GPL not being strict in their FAQ.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Wordpress Themes</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/interesting-wordpress-gpl-implications/comment-page-2#comment-22868</link> <dc:creator>Wordpress Themes</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=735#comment-22868</guid> <description>I use WordPress  for almost five years and must say I’ve not found a better platform for building and managing a website. Doesn’t matter whether you’re blogging, have a store front, create a massive business site or need a basic, static website to promote your services and products – WordPress can manage it all.
And te themes are not only good for personal use, but also for your clients, makes it easier to customize to there style.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use WordPress  for almost five years and must say I’ve not found a better platform for building and managing a website. Doesn’t matter whether you’re blogging, have a store front, create a massive business site or need a basic, static website to promote your services and products – WordPress can manage it all.<br
/> And te themes are not only good for personal use, but also for your clients, makes it easier to customize to there style.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Greg</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/interesting-wordpress-gpl-implications/comment-page-2#comment-20492</link> <dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=735#comment-20492</guid> <description>Wow, This comment contains bad legal advice. Ha!I am not a lawyer, but when code is GPL, and it&#039;s distributed to you, you are given all the rights of the original author! You can change it, you can use it, you can even sell it to anyone you want for any price. You can also sue someone for violating your copyright. You must distribute the source and pass these rights on to anyone whom you distribute the code to.As for themes, HTML/CSS is not programming code. The design is not linked to the WordPress, unless MAYBE you used inline PHP in the HTML. However, the CSS file would still be separate. A theme framework for example is GPL code. The CSS file it uses is not.You could for example, acquire a GPL copy of Thesis from your friend, create an original CSS file for it and then sell thesis on your own website under a different name.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, This comment contains bad legal advice. Ha!</p><p>I am not a lawyer, but when code is GPL, and it's distributed to you, you are given all the rights of the original author! You can change it, you can use it, you can even sell it to anyone you want for any price. You can also sue someone for violating your copyright. You must distribute the source and pass these rights on to anyone whom you distribute the code to.</p><p>As for themes, HTML/CSS is not programming code. The design is not linked to the WordPress, unless MAYBE you used inline PHP in the HTML. However, the CSS file would still be separate. A theme framework for example is GPL code. The CSS file it uses is not.</p><p>You could for example, acquire a GPL copy of Thesis from your friend, create an original CSS file for it and then sell thesis on your own website under a different name.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The WordPress GPL Timeline &#124; WPCandy</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/interesting-wordpress-gpl-implications/comment-page-2#comment-20010</link> <dc:creator>The WordPress GPL Timeline &#124; WPCandy</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=735#comment-20010</guid> <description>[...] http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/interesting-wordpress-gpl-implications [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a
href="http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/interesting-wordpress-gpl-implications" rel="nofollow">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/interesting-wordpress-gpl-implications</a> [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lee</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/interesting-wordpress-gpl-implications/comment-page-2#comment-18437</link> <dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=735#comment-18437</guid> <description>&quot;contains or is derived from&quot; does not mean &quot;links/binds with using API calls&quot;.  The GPL discusses those issues seperately.  &quot;contains or is derived from&quot; means &quot;your new shipped product also happens to contain all or parts of this product&quot;, which is clearly not the case unless a theme is literally derived from a previous theme (i.e., it&#039;s a modification).Any further clarity required regarding this could (and should) be requested from the GNU License team (which I am not associated with).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"contains or is derived from" does not mean "links/binds with using API calls".  The GPL discusses those issues seperately.  "contains or is derived from" means "your new shipped product also happens to contain all or parts of this product", which is clearly not the case unless a theme is literally derived from a previous theme (i.e., it's a modification).</p><p>Any further clarity required regarding this could (and should) be requested from the GNU License team (which I am not associated with).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: El software libre en tu empresa: qué puedes hacer y qué no &#124; ENDER SOFTWARE, desarrollo de software a medida</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/interesting-wordpress-gpl-implications/comment-page-2#comment-17862</link> <dc:creator>El software libre en tu empresa: qué puedes hacer y qué no &#124; ENDER SOFTWARE, desarrollo de software a medida</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=735#comment-17862</guid> <description>[...] Siempre había pensado que la GPL era una licencia muy restrictiva, y creo que es uno de esos problemas de lost in translation, ya que al leer &#8220;todo software derivado de GPL debe ser GPL&#8221;, y &#8220;GPL es una licencia &#8216;free&#8217;&#8221;, durante años he interpretado que todo software GPL debe ser gratis, y que los derivados también, y esto no es cierto. Una extensión a esta explicación, y un análisis de las implicaciones podéis leerlo aquí. [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Siempre había pensado que la GPL era una licencia muy restrictiva, y creo que es uno de esos problemas de lost in translation, ya que al leer &#8220;todo software derivado de GPL debe ser GPL&#8221;, y &#8220;GPL es una licencia &#8216;free&#8217;&#8221;, durante años he interpretado que todo software GPL debe ser gratis, y que los derivados también, y esto no es cierto. Una extensión a esta explicación, y un análisis de las implicaciones podéis leerlo aquí. [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The Journey of Custom Plugin Design for WP &#124; The Shopping Network</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/interesting-wordpress-gpl-implications/comment-page-2#comment-15189</link> <dc:creator>The Journey of Custom Plugin Design for WP &#124; The Shopping Network</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=735#comment-15189</guid> <description>[...] Interesting WordPress GPL implications [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Interesting WordPress GPL implications [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: WordPress and the GNU General Public License — kristarella.com</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/interesting-wordpress-gpl-implications/comment-page-2#comment-7418</link> <dc:creator>WordPress and the GNU General Public License — kristarella.com</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=735#comment-7418</guid> <description>[...] Vladimir Prelovac suggests some ways of circumventing the &#8220;problem&#8221; of GPL by avoiding interacting with WordPress functions. However, it feels like a lot of effort to find loopholes in the license. If you really don&#8217;t like the GPL that much, perhaps you should use a different platform. [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Vladimir Prelovac suggests some ways of circumventing the &#8220;problem&#8221; of GPL by avoiding interacting with WordPress functions. However, it feels like a lot of effort to find loopholes in the license. If you really don&#8217;t like the GPL that much, perhaps you should use a different platform. [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Vladimir</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/interesting-wordpress-gpl-implications/comment-page-2#comment-7417</link> <dc:creator>Vladimir</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=735#comment-7417</guid> <description>I do not think Matt needs to &#039;prove&#039; it by doing what you suggest. GPL license is out there for everyone to read. We can differ on interpretation but the fundamentals are very clear.Here is a link to one more good read http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2008/12/19/2hr-interview-with-matt-mullenweg/</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not think Matt needs to 'prove' it by doing what you suggest. GPL license is out there for everyone to read. We can differ on interpretation but the fundamentals are very clear.</p><p>Here is a link to one more good read <a
href="http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2008/12/19/2hr-interview-with-matt-mullenweg/" rel="nofollow">http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2008/12/19/2hr-interview-with-matt-mullenweg/</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Barrie North</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/interesting-wordpress-gpl-implications/comment-page-2#comment-7395</link> <dc:creator>Barrie North</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=735#comment-7395</guid> <description>Again... not quite. It doesn&#039;t prove &quot;it&quot;. It proves Matt&#039;s opinion, not quite the same thing :)Here is what I think Matt should do. Go and find another big company, say Template Monster, with lots of legal and monetary resources.Buy their top selling 20 Wordpress themes, then put them up on Wordpress themes as a free download.I am preety sure that TM will send him a C&amp;D and then Matt and them can figure it all out in the courts.Then *finally* we can put this unresolved issue of GPL derivative works to rest and all move on :)Heck, I&#039;ll even have a whip round for Matt to buy the TM WP themes to start with ;)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again... not quite. It doesn't prove "it". It proves Matt's opinion, not quite the same thing :)</p><p>Here is what I think Matt should do. Go and find another big company, say Template Monster, with lots of legal and monetary resources.</p><p>Buy their top selling 20 WordPress themes, then put them up on WordPress themes as a free download.</p><p>I am preety sure that TM will send him a C&amp;D and then Matt and them can figure it all out in the courts.</p><p>Then *finally* we can put this unresolved issue of GPL derivative works to rest and all move on :)</p><p>Heck, I'll even have a whip round for Matt to buy the TM WP themes to start with ;)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Vladimir</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/interesting-wordpress-gpl-implications/comment-page-2#comment-7394</link> <dc:creator>Vladimir</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=735#comment-7394</guid> <description>I am not giving legal advice only my opinion based on facts available to me, but you are right I should be more careful with that.Take a look at this post http://wordpress.org/support/topic/113358#post-543507Matt says there
&lt;blockquote&gt;
... Themes link and use lots of internal WordPress functions, which make them linked under the GPL and subject to being a GPL-compatible license.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;From this, Matt&#039;s opinion is clear, themes are GPL and the recent removal of 200 themes from wordpress.org (another useful read http://www.alistercameron.com/2008/12/14/matt-mullenweg-wordpress-gpl/ ) only proves it.Here is a another quote from matt again, from just a few days ago:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
... Themes whose sites said you couldn’t modify them (which is a violation of the GPL), ...
&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not giving legal advice only my opinion based on facts available to me, but you are right I should be more careful with that.</p><p>Take a look at this post <a
href="http://wordpress.org/support/topic/113358#post-543507" rel="nofollow">http://wordpress.org/support/topic/113358#post-543507</a></p><p>Matt says there</p><blockquote><p> ... Themes link and use lots of internal WordPress functions, which make them linked under the GPL and subject to being a GPL-compatible license.</p></blockquote><p>From this, Matt's opinion is clear, themes are GPL and the recent removal of 200 themes from wordpress.org (another useful read <a
href="http://www.alistercameron.com/2008/12/14/matt-mullenweg-wordpress-gpl/" rel="nofollow">http://www.alistercameron.com/2008/12/14/matt-mullenweg-wordpress-gpl/</a> ) only proves it.</p><p>Here is a another quote from matt again, from just a few days ago:</p><blockquote><p> ... Themes whose sites said you couldn’t modify them (which is a violation of the GPL), ...</p></blockquote> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Barrie North</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/interesting-wordpress-gpl-implications/comment-page-2#comment-7392</link> <dc:creator>Barrie North</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=735#comment-7392</guid> <description>&quot;You are free to enforce GPL, you do not have to wait for Matt to do it. GPL gives you that right.&quot;Um, I don&#039;t really think so.1. That templates are GPL is not legal fact, tested in US court... its the opinion (based on his legal advice) of Matt.2. If an end user violated the GIVEN license of a theme, that theme vendor could sue..3. Thus, an end user would be violating a given license (e.g. CC) in the hope that a court case would get judged in Matt&#039;s favor... meanwhile, that end user would be burning through legal dollars.I think there are also legal implications for you to be dispensing legal advice... I think the popular phrase is.........IANAL</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"You are free to enforce GPL, you do not have to wait for Matt to do it. GPL gives you that right."</p><p>Um, I don't really think so.</p><p>1. That templates are GPL is not legal fact, tested in US court... its the opinion (based on his legal advice) of Matt.</p><p>2. If an end user violated the GIVEN license of a theme, that theme vendor could sue..</p><p>3. Thus, an end user would be violating a given license (e.g. CC) in the hope that a court case would get judged in Matt's favor... meanwhile, that end user would be burning through legal dollars.</p><p>I think there are also legal implications for you to be dispensing legal advice... I think the popular phrase is....</p><p>.....IANAL</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Vladimir</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/interesting-wordpress-gpl-implications/comment-page-2#comment-7391</link> <dc:creator>Vladimir</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=735#comment-7391</guid> <description>Mark (email?):The license says quite clearly:&lt;blockquote&gt;You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part &lt;strong&gt;contains or is derived from the Program&lt;/strong&gt; or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License.&lt;/blockquote&gt;which to me means that if you just use the function, the code becomes GPL. As for the Apache argument, ASF and GPL are compatible so there is no argue there. Problem arrises when you try to use non-compatbile license like CC which brings me to Barrie.Barrie: You are free to enforce GPL, you do not have to wait for Matt to do it. GPL gives you that right. If you download GPL code you are free to modify it as you wish, distribute it further, resell etc.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark (email?):</p><p>The license says quite clearly:</p><blockquote><p>You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part <strong>contains or is derived from the Program</strong> or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License.</p></blockquote><p>which to me means that if you just use the function, the code becomes GPL. As for the Apache argument, ASF and GPL are compatible so there is no argue there. Problem arrises when you try to use non-compatbile license like CC which brings me to Barrie.</p><p>Barrie: You are free to enforce GPL, you do not have to wait for Matt to do it. GPL gives you that right. If you download GPL code you are free to modify it as you wish, distribute it further, resell etc.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Barrie North</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/interesting-wordpress-gpl-implications/comment-page-2#comment-7390</link> <dc:creator>Barrie North</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=735#comment-7390</guid> <description>WARNING... INACCURATE LEGAL ADVICE WAS CONTAINED IN THIS POST&quot;You are free to remove those links from the theme that author tried to forbid you from (even from sponsored themes). Even when an author slaps a CC (Creative Commons) license on the theme, and demands you respect the links or work, you do not have to as they are actually violating the GPL by putting CC over it.&quot;This is not true and I would advise against any of your blog readers to do this.If Wordpress.org say the themes are GPL, then THEY (specifically Matt as I think he is the copyright holder) are the ones that must take the legal action.If the end user removes the links then THEY are the ones violating the copyright that theme was shipped with and could be liable.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WARNING... INACCURATE LEGAL ADVICE WAS CONTAINED IN THIS POST</p><p>"You are free to remove those links from the theme that author tried to forbid you from (even from sponsored themes). Even when an author slaps a CC (Creative Commons) license on the theme, and demands you respect the links or work, you do not have to as they are actually violating the GPL by putting CC over it."</p><p>This is not true and I would advise against any of your blog readers to do this.</p><p>If WordPress.org say the themes are GPL, then THEY (specifically Matt as I think he is the copyright holder) are the ones that must take the legal action.</p><p>If the end user removes the links then THEY are the ones violating the copyright that theme was shipped with and could be liable.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mark</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/interesting-wordpress-gpl-implications/comment-page-2#comment-7389</link> <dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=735#comment-7389</guid> <description>Vladimir: Otto is pretty much spot on.Your claim:&lt;blockquote&gt;
This means that whenever a theme or a plugin uses just one function from the WordPress code, GPL license automatically &#039;kicks in&#039; and takes over.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;...is incorrect.  If the author is making function calls to the core of Wordpress, they can still license their code under a more restrictive license.  It is only if they ship a, for lack of better words, modified duplicate of a function that&#039;s already in the Wordpress core, which is when the GPL applies.Take, for example, the Apache webserver.  It is licensed under the ASF, which is more restrictive than the GPL.  However, Apache makes all kinds of Linux system function calls, and Linux itself is GPL.  This isn&#039;t the exact same scenario as custom themes under Wordpress, but it&#039;s pretty close.  Were Apache to include custom code that was derived from Linux, it would have to be GPL, but it doesn&#039;t, so it doesn&#039;t.  Same thing in this case.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vladimir: Otto is pretty much spot on.</p><p>Your claim:</p><blockquote><p> This means that whenever a theme or a plugin uses just one function from the WordPress code, GPL license automatically 'kicks in' and takes over.</p></blockquote><p>...is incorrect.  If the author is making function calls to the core of WordPress, they can still license their code under a more restrictive license.  It is only if they ship a, for lack of better words, modified duplicate of a function that's already in the WordPress core, which is when the GPL applies.</p><p>Take, for example, the Apache webserver.  It is licensed under the ASF, which is more restrictive than the GPL.  However, Apache makes all kinds of Linux system function calls, and Linux itself is GPL.  This isn't the exact same scenario as custom themes under WordPress, but it's pretty close.  Were Apache to include custom code that was derived from Linux, it would have to be GPL, but it doesn't, so it doesn't.  Same thing in this case.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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