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> <channel><title>Comments on: Using WordPress plugins for advertising</title> <atom:link href="http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/using-wordpress-plugins-for-advertising/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/using-wordpress-plugins-for-advertising</link> <description>A blog by Prelovac Media CEO Vladimir Prelovac</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:37:58 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Azuka</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/using-wordpress-plugins-for-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-21195</link> <dc:creator>Azuka</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=1058#comment-21195</guid> <description>Which plugin is that? Can you provide more information about the plugin?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which plugin is that? Can you provide more information about the plugin?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Vladimir</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/using-wordpress-plugins-for-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-21082</link> <dc:creator>Vladimir</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=1058#comment-21082</guid> <description>Good read, thanks for the link. As a matter of fact one of my plugins is soon to be released as commercial.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good read, thanks for the link. As a matter of fact one of my plugins is soon to be released as commercial.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Azuka</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/using-wordpress-plugins-for-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-21081</link> <dc:creator>Azuka</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=1058#comment-21081</guid> <description>I just finished reading the Joomla link but cannot make comments on the website.It is difficult to maintain any project, open-source or proprietary. There are real challenges with each. The issue of revenue is something that independent contractors, small and large companies/organizations must deal with on a daily basis. It is about survival and longevity. I also think it is about legacy as well. How does the project go on? Does the project have the resources to sustain itself and the developers? Can the project still maintain its momentum? Not everyone have access to the financial resources or the connection of Shuttleworth or Brin.This brings me back to Vladimir’s original question and I will use the example of a real ice cream company that updated their customers Twitter every time they bought an ice cream. I read this article about an ice cream company was trying to use social media to raise branding and profits. They company launched a campaign to encourage customers to link their Twitter account to their account on the ice cream company. Customers who signed up for the campaign provided their Twitter login, which is entered into the ice cream system. Every time the customer buys an ice cream, their Twitter page will be updated with what they purchase. So, if the customer buys vanilla ice cream, the tweet will read something like: Bought vanilla ice cream on June 9 at one of the stores of the ice cream company. What is interesting about this example is that the company did not and is not waiting for the customer to update their Twitter. Instead, the company re-engineered their POS system (cash register) to send the tweet automatically when the customer makes a purchase. The company is trying to reach all their customer’s followers as potential customers. Imagine if the person eats their ice cream 4 times a week, the followers of that customer may decide to try that ice cream.Coming back to your question, you can continue to make all your plugins freely available and supporting them as you already do. Or, you may decide to charge a fee for some of the plugin or for all. You can also provide paid support, which you may or may not be doing, to anyone that needs immediate assistance for your plugin. This model allows serious and interested people to purchase the service, and for others to use the forum to solicit for assistance.You cannot make everyone happy, even if you do every thing right. I also see no issue with adding the link to your website and books to the options, or even making the link to your website present on the user website. The user can always edit this information out if they choose, or leave it to show supports. Finally, people that use WordPress may not necessarily be interested in making a plugin. You have to remember that there are users that are simply looking for a plugin that work and help their website. Instead of targeting the book of how to make a plugin to them, you should target your service instead.Take a look at this article about software pricing:
http://www.inc.com/magazine/20101101/go-ahead-raise-your-businesss-prices.html</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished reading the Joomla link but cannot make comments on the website.</p><p>It is difficult to maintain any project, open-source or proprietary. There are real challenges with each. The issue of revenue is something that independent contractors, small and large companies/organizations must deal with on a daily basis. It is about survival and longevity. I also think it is about legacy as well. How does the project go on? Does the project have the resources to sustain itself and the developers? Can the project still maintain its momentum? Not everyone have access to the financial resources or the connection of Shuttleworth or Brin.</p><p>This brings me back to Vladimir’s original question and I will use the example of a real ice cream company that updated their customers Twitter every time they bought an ice cream. I read this article about an ice cream company was trying to use social media to raise branding and profits. They company launched a campaign to encourage customers to link their Twitter account to their account on the ice cream company. Customers who signed up for the campaign provided their Twitter login, which is entered into the ice cream system. Every time the customer buys an ice cream, their Twitter page will be updated with what they purchase. So, if the customer buys vanilla ice cream, the tweet will read something like: Bought vanilla ice cream on June 9 at one of the stores of the ice cream company. What is interesting about this example is that the company did not and is not waiting for the customer to update their Twitter. Instead, the company re-engineered their POS system (cash register) to send the tweet automatically when the customer makes a purchase. The company is trying to reach all their customer’s followers as potential customers. Imagine if the person eats their ice cream 4 times a week, the followers of that customer may decide to try that ice cream.</p><p>Coming back to your question, you can continue to make all your plugins freely available and supporting them as you already do. Or, you may decide to charge a fee for some of the plugin or for all. You can also provide paid support, which you may or may not be doing, to anyone that needs immediate assistance for your plugin. This model allows serious and interested people to purchase the service, and for others to use the forum to solicit for assistance.</p><p>You cannot make everyone happy, even if you do every thing right. I also see no issue with adding the link to your website and books to the options, or even making the link to your website present on the user website. The user can always edit this information out if they choose, or leave it to show supports. Finally, people that use WordPress may not necessarily be interested in making a plugin. You have to remember that there are users that are simply looking for a plugin that work and help their website. Instead of targeting the book of how to make a plugin to them, you should target your service instead.</p><p>Take a look at this article about software pricing:<br
/> <a
href="http://www.inc.com/magazine/20101101/go-ahead-raise-your-businesss-prices.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.inc.com/magazine/20101101/go-ahead-raise-your-businesss-prices.html</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Azuka</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/using-wordpress-plugins-for-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-21004</link> <dc:creator>Azuka</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=1058#comment-21004</guid> <description>I find it incredibly annoying to see Google ad links for software in the backend and frontend of a website.  I tend to disable such plugin that does that.  Administrators already have lots of issues to deal with, and none of them should be Google Ads, unless it it monetizing their own content.There are many ways to support authors who are publishing free plugins.  If you cannot donate, there are other ways to contribute.  My recommendation is as follows:1. Blog about the plugin
If you like the plugin, let others know about it and share your experience.  Submit your experience to the forum, WordPress, etc.2. Get others to donate
Happiness is infectious. When you are happy about something, chances are someone else will become happy as a result of your happiness.  When someone is happy, they can do some happy things such as donate. There are people who are looking for avenue to donate. Why not a plugin?3. If Google ads are a must for the plugin authors, give administrators the option to activate and deactivate the plugin, and its appearance on the website.
For example, you can have the plugin show on the website, selected pages, all the pages, or none of the pages.The truth is that someone has spent time developing and maturing the software. If it is something that is useful to you, support it. If you cannot support it immediately, do your part and let others know. It is the least we can all do.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it incredibly annoying to see Google ad links for software in the backend and frontend of a website.  I tend to disable such plugin that does that.  Administrators already have lots of issues to deal with, and none of them should be Google Ads, unless it it monetizing their own content.</p><p>There are many ways to support authors who are publishing free plugins.  If you cannot donate, there are other ways to contribute.  My recommendation is as follows:</p><p>1. Blog about the plugin<br
/> If you like the plugin, let others know about it and share your experience.  Submit your experience to the forum, WordPress, etc.</p><p>2. Get others to donate<br
/> Happiness is infectious. When you are happy about something, chances are someone else will become happy as a result of your happiness.  When someone is happy, they can do some happy things such as donate. There are people who are looking for avenue to donate. Why not a plugin?</p><p>3. If Google ads are a must for the plugin authors, give administrators the option to activate and deactivate the plugin, and its appearance on the website.<br
/> For example, you can have the plugin show on the website, selected pages, all the pages, or none of the pages.</p><p>The truth is that someone has spent time developing and maturing the software. If it is something that is useful to you, support it. If you cannot support it immediately, do your part and let others know. It is the least we can all do.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/using-wordpress-plugins-for-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-21002</link> <dc:creator>David</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=1058#comment-21002</guid> <description>Azuka has a point, it is challenging to maintain open source projects.  Branding, as Bruce mention is no doubt a motivation from an individual developer standpoint, although for many the return is far from the work invested.  But what about Mozilla, Wordpress, Ubuntu, Apache, etc?This is Joomla&#039;s blog in which they&#039;re considering the future of their financial model.  They analyzed other open source companies to help guide their own.  About a page down, there&#039;s a very brief chart of how each company stays afloat:
http://community.joomla.org/blogs/community/1117-how-open-source-development-is-funded.html</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Azuka has a point, it is challenging to maintain open source projects.  Branding, as Bruce mention is no doubt a motivation from an individual developer standpoint, although for many the return is far from the work invested.  But what about Mozilla, WordPress, Ubuntu, Apache, etc?</p><p>This is Joomla's blog in which they're considering the future of their financial model.  They analyzed other open source companies to help guide their own.  About a page down, there's a very brief chart of how each company stays afloat:<br
/> <a
href="http://community.joomla.org/blogs/community/1117-how-open-source-development-is-funded.html" rel="nofollow">http://community.joomla.org/blogs/community/1117-how-open-source-development-is-funded.html</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/using-wordpress-plugins-for-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-21001</link> <dc:creator>David</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=1058#comment-21001</guid> <description>I&#039;m impressed that you are taking this with such diplomatic consideration!  I&#039;m also impressed how you respond to others&#039; &quot;shady&quot; tactics.As long as the obnoxious ads are avoided (which you aren&#039;t even close to) I think it&#039;s very well appropriate to put links like that in your options menu.  I have found it on many others.  It&#039;s like signing a painting or any other work.  Because of how aware you are, the only possible way I could think of being even more sensitive is to mention it in the plugin description.  Something at the bottom like, &quot;Much time and energy has been invested in this plugin.  So naturally, in the plugin options I give links to support, website, and other plugins.  As it relates I also mention my book about developing plugins.  By downloading the plugin you agree to appreciate the developers work, and not complain about the unobtrusive links.  If you disapprove, please refrain from downloading.&quot;Now that I wrote that, I think it&#039;s still going overboard.  I wish I could, but given my situation, I don&#039;t feel the freedom to donate, so any other way I can give back, I attempt to do so.  When I get my site up and running, I&#039;ll have a link to everything that powers the site, mentioning your plugins and blog.  It&#039;s the least I can do.All the best!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm impressed that you are taking this with such diplomatic consideration!  I'm also impressed how you respond to others' "shady" tactics.</p><p>As long as the obnoxious ads are avoided (which you aren't even close to) I think it's very well appropriate to put links like that in your options menu.  I have found it on many others.  It's like signing a painting or any other work.  Because of how aware you are, the only possible way I could think of being even more sensitive is to mention it in the plugin description.  Something at the bottom like, "Much time and energy has been invested in this plugin.  So naturally, in the plugin options I give links to support, website, and other plugins.  As it relates I also mention my book about developing plugins.  By downloading the plugin you agree to appreciate the developers work, and not complain about the unobtrusive links.  If you disapprove, please refrain from downloading."</p><p>Now that I wrote that, I think it's still going overboard.  I wish I could, but given my situation, I don't feel the freedom to donate, so any other way I can give back, I attempt to do so.  When I get my site up and running, I'll have a link to everything that powers the site, mentioning your plugins and blog.  It's the least I can do.</p><p>All the best!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: DoFollow SEO Blog</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/using-wordpress-plugins-for-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-12983</link> <dc:creator>DoFollow SEO Blog</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=1058#comment-12983</guid> <description>Donations seem to work when you provide something in return that normal visitors can&#039;t get. I use a Pligg site and donated because the donation was equal to their plugin and template cost I wanted which they give for free with donations.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donations seem to work when you provide something in return that normal visitors can't get. I use a Pligg site and donated because the donation was equal to their plugin and template cost I wanted which they give for free with donations.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Vladimir</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/using-wordpress-plugins-for-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-12964</link> <dc:creator>Vladimir</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=1058#comment-12964</guid> <description>Cheers Bruce :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers Bruce :)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bruce</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/using-wordpress-plugins-for-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-12958</link> <dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=1058#comment-12958</guid> <description>Hello Vlad,
Although I don&#039;t think you will ever be rich from selling a book, or asking for donations, I do you believe you might be able to accomplish something with your brand.  I see you are wordpress wizard (I read you blog a lot), and I imagine you are able to keep lots of cash coming in with your consulting business (and other ventures). Eventually I think you deserve the fame? to be able travel around on someone elses money giving the occasional talks about web4.0 (coming soon), or some other thing.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Vlad,<br
/> Although I don't think you will ever be rich from selling a book, or asking for donations, I do you believe you might be able to accomplish something with your brand.  I see you are wordpress wizard (I read you blog a lot), and I imagine you are able to keep lots of cash coming in with your consulting business (and other ventures). Eventually I think you deserve the fame? to be able travel around on someone elses money giving the occasional talks about web4.0 (coming soon), or some other thing.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Azuka</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/using-wordpress-plugins-for-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-12868</link> <dc:creator>Azuka</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=1058#comment-12868</guid> <description>The sad truth is that the donation model simply does not work. The rate of incoming donations in many cases does not fully cover development and hosting cost. Not to mention all the time the developer has put into the project at the cost of their own personal happiness, all for a measly donation that come in once every two months.In any open-source project, you need revenue to support the momentum, and to ensure the project sustainability. I have seen a lot of projects that started off with lots of enthusiasm, but succumb to a premature death. This occurs too often.I think that developers and designers need to rethink their own strategy for viability. Tricky implementation and shady undercover dealings that work in boosting their websites at the expense of their users will not work.Gone are the days of free. The web is increasingly becoming service oriented. I personally would pay for a plug-in if it is active development, if the developers listen to their users, and if there are timely releases to address user issues as well as security.Vladimir, I think you have to think about your sustainability. The popular model of donation, or as I call it, solicitations, in Open Source is not always a viable option. It is sort of like those Google Ads. You see them, you know you are supposed to click on them to help the website owner generate revenue, but many people do not.In an ideal world, donation is really a selfless act, but we don&#039;t live in one. Perhaps, we should start thinking about cultivating one.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad truth is that the donation model simply does not work. The rate of incoming donations in many cases does not fully cover development and hosting cost. Not to mention all the time the developer has put into the project at the cost of their own personal happiness, all for a measly donation that come in once every two months.</p><p>In any open-source project, you need revenue to support the momentum, and to ensure the project sustainability. I have seen a lot of projects that started off with lots of enthusiasm, but succumb to a premature death. This occurs too often.</p><p>I think that developers and designers need to rethink their own strategy for viability. Tricky implementation and shady undercover dealings that work in boosting their websites at the expense of their users will not work.</p><p>Gone are the days of free. The web is increasingly becoming service oriented. I personally would pay for a plug-in if it is active development, if the developers listen to their users, and if there are timely releases to address user issues as well as security.</p><p>Vladimir, I think you have to think about your sustainability. The popular model of donation, or as I call it, solicitations, in Open Source is not always a viable option. It is sort of like those Google Ads. You see them, you know you are supposed to click on them to help the website owner generate revenue, but many people do not.</p><p>In an ideal world, donation is really a selfless act, but we don't live in one. Perhaps, we should start thinking about cultivating one.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Hardeep Singh</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/using-wordpress-plugins-for-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-12854</link> <dc:creator>Hardeep Singh</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=1058#comment-12854</guid> <description>I agree: showing ads in the plugin options isnt at all disruptive, and its the least we can do in return for your wonderful themes/plugins. If it takes us 5 min to &#039;upgrade&#039; the plugin, we have to compare it to the time you spent in developing the plugin.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree: showing ads in the plugin options isnt at all disruptive, and its the least we can do in return for your wonderful themes/plugins. If it takes us 5 min to 'upgrade' the plugin, we have to compare it to the time you spent in developing the plugin.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Portland Web Design</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/using-wordpress-plugins-for-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-12843</link> <dc:creator>Portland Web Design</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=1058#comment-12843</guid> <description>Hi Vlad, I think its totally appropriate to advertise your services inside a wordpress plugn that you make and give to people for free to use.As a web design firm, you know that I&#039;m going to go right to the plugin author when I need that plugin modified a bit.  I would put a link to donate and a link to hire you for custom mods in every plugin.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Vlad, I think its totally appropriate to advertise your services inside a wordpress plugn that you make and give to people for free to use.</p><p>As a web design firm, you know that I'm going to go right to the plugin author when I need that plugin modified a bit.  I would put a link to donate and a link to hire you for custom mods in every plugin.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kim</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/using-wordpress-plugins-for-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-12839</link> <dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=1058#comment-12839</guid> <description>Hi Vladimir,
I just found your site in the last month or so and am SO glad I did. I think ALL plugin developers should have a donation button- opensource is wonderful, but to keep getting such great plugins the developers need to pay their bills too! :-)
I recently heard someone talk about branding and they said &quot;if everyone likes you, you&#039;re not doing your job&quot;.
You can&#039;t please everyone! Keep up the great work...
Thanks,
Kim Doyal</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Vladimir,<br
/> I just found your site in the last month or so and am SO glad I did. I think ALL plugin developers should have a donation button- opensource is wonderful, but to keep getting such great plugins the developers need to pay their bills too! :-)<br
/> I recently heard someone talk about branding and they said "if everyone likes you, you're not doing your job".<br
/> You can't please everyone! Keep up the great work...<br
/> Thanks,<br
/> Kim Doyal</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chris Dornan</title><link>http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/using-wordpress-plugins-for-advertising/comment-page-1#comment-12836</link> <dc:creator>Chris Dornan</dc:creator> <pubDate></pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/?p=1058#comment-12836</guid> <description>Vlad, the way you are using the admin panel for sensitive advertising (certainly including your books, especially one that is WordPress-related) seems entirely consistent with what others are doing and entirely reasonable.  When I saw plugin providers doing this for the first time I was very pleased--it seemed right and only fair.You will always get folks that will object, whatever you do I guess, but I would be surprised if almost everyone that downloads your plugins aren&#039;t bith grateful and delighted with your work.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vlad, the way you are using the admin panel for sensitive advertising (certainly including your books, especially one that is WordPress-related) seems entirely consistent with what others are doing and entirely reasonable.  When I saw plugin providers doing this for the first time I was very pleased--it seemed right and only fair.</p><p>You will always get folks that will object, whatever you do I guess, but I would be surprised if almost everyone that downloads your plugins aren't bith grateful and delighted with your work.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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